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Ratto & Baggs make Bonds' Hall of Fame case

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  1. Barry Bonds0:45, 3:32, 4:58
  2. Bob Gibson5:31
  3. Mike Piazza5:48
  4. Mark McGwire5:35
  5. Ty Cobb3:43
  6. Craig Robinson3:29
  7. mark Carter0:08
  8. ballot hall5:50
  9. steroid era1:01
Wed, 9 Jan 2013|

Ray Ratto and Andrew Baggarly are not surprised Bonds was not elected into Hall of Fame.

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Comcast sports that special the hall of fame discussion along with Andrew bad -- our baseball insider mark Carter from behind me 57 with Dave and of course. Ray -- all three of these gentlemen get to vote my first thing for you -- were you surprised. That no one got him. Not at all ray and I were were watching the results be announced and I was thinking 33% may -- for bonds and and he got 36% so I think by price is right rules like I come close to winning both showcase his -- -- that are I just think there's there's too much polarization are a lot of people who don't know what to do with bonds and there might be some people who wanna be punitive. With this first ballot and maybe you'll vote for him in the future but. I don't know if it's gonna make a big impact may be negated eventually you only 5% stay on the ballot but clearly a lot of people need more time with Barry Bonds or steal that he doesn't want them all the same -- -- -- -- have the most by the way it's 68%. And we discussed it before he said he would be the one who was closest. Part mark were you surprised bonds didn't get and then end and by the way Clemens and get -- themselves and any of these people associated with that steroid era and always get them right no no not surprise and I think it's it's sort of reflective of its a toxic here for the ballot. I'm I'm a little surprised frankly -- that he pulled the the numbers he did -- I might go as high as 45% bonds is a guy. Who I think you'll see a bunch of voters. Have decided to withhold their first year ballot I think bonds is a guy who could jump from where he is into the high forties to low fifties -- in the mid fifties. In one year so I think this conversation is really only beginning with regards a hall of fame and you know most of the easier for them break the all time home run leader and baseball's all time hit leader not the -- -- the second the -- It's gonna change for bonds eventually it is can you voted for by the way you without hesitation. Because I think they did the whole steroid argument is a red area. The fact is baseball tolerated this and they tolerate it. PED use going back to amphetamines. And they only really start to worry about it 2005 when the government got involved. Up until that point they were fine -- all of it and they all cashed in on it so to me it's it's a disingenuous argument. As for. The rest of it. The the interesting thing today was not who -- we didn't get in I think most people figured nobody was going again. The question was percentages. I -- bonds came in little low. I thought that Clemens getting a few more votes than bonds made no sense. Why would you vote for Clemens and not bonds right or vice Versa for bonds and Clemens so there's a lot about. Nobody getting in it is still fascinating to me because the numbers inside the numbers are out the -- that. Mark did you vote for months no I did not I past only when both pitchers for Biggio okay is the clear cut no argument hall of Famer. I'm bonds is a guy and I'll be honest I'm am a hard time ever voting for. -- as much as I -- and understand the position in -- one of many many many people feel that to me it's. The farthest thing from -- that entire argument -- talk about the most worked. Era. Statistics in baseball history and it goes back to. The blatant use in the blatant cheating by guys who clearly knew what they were doing was giving them an edge beyond anything including green he's ever -- any player -- And this is an area unlike any other which is why you have -- idea -- why I was gonna say right to your argument. Yet baseball brought this on themselves they certainly kind of enforce a better. What does that do for a guy like Craig Robinson who had so many home runs without the use of this and Barry Bonds did it with the -- so I mean you're comparing people that have helped and the people that did not have. But. Extend that even further back let's let's say. The take Ty Cobb -- never played in an era in which anybody -- wasn't -- got to play so the hall of fame argument is flawed from the star. It's this is already that it's already a warped position. And everything about baseball is colored by all the goofy things. That they've done such a hall of fame as a hot mess it's always gonna be one. So this is just another hot mess is all it is to me but -- the country not being segregated. And therefore they're being racism and not being able to compete against black players the same as players. Taking drugs to -- -- worse it's infinitely when the color line was far worst baseball. Then PDs by a wide margin. And I don't know anybody can make. Via the other argument. So if the color line is OK with all thing I don't understand. How PED use this because it's not. Often it's not church. It's the history of the game warped straight and otherwise. And so. I think this is something that baseball's got to -- look you guys look the other way on all this stuff. So now you live with the price of that and the price that is your hall of fame is devalued for the clean guys with the dirty guys for the guys. Andrew you voted for Barry Bonds -- -- did because I thought that he's one of the greatest players ever played a game in terms of -- skill set to and when you enhanced it obviously became totally cartoonish and you know for me ain't cheating you never won a reward somebody -- cheating but I do think we have to step back and look at what baseball. He is -- the culture of. The game is just an excuse someone for cheating is a reason they did all this stuff in private behind closed doors ever talked about it. But players always looking to get an edge and I think a lot of hall of famers who played the fifties and sixties would have taken steroids -- guys are on record saying. They were done and Mike Schmidt Bob Gibson among others. And it's almost like why do you put these guys at fault so what Barry Bonds Mark McGwire. When their stuff just worked exponentially better than the stuff that was available in the fifties and sixties is still cheating guys have been looking to load up the baseball steal signs. Get any -- they can. And can here's the thing that's interesting -- -- Mike Piazza who I thought was for sure a first ballot hall of fame when I was playing. And he doesn't get in today. Now is it because he had pimples on his back in the end and you just have a paper trail the way the -- does so how do you deal with that I mean there's so many tentacles to the same axis of typical. To sort through as a voter. Let's look at the actual voting to which it was released today at 11 o'clock. -- time and you see Biggio -- it was 68 point 2%. My question for you badgers wouldn't is part of the reason you vote for bonds because it would give -- a hall of Famer without the use. I think that's I think that's part part of your argument. I think that I think that his talent level makes him one of the top five players in the game ever to play the game regardless of if he hadn't touched. And -- either injected anything now you know that's unscientific obviously but. You know I was there watch him every day -- and it was super -- what you was doing even. Knowing that it was wrapped up a certain percentage of the steroid use and you can't really quantify. You know how much steroids enhanced his game but it's obvious that made huge impact but he's just one of the most talented players in baseball history. Marquis said you'd probably have trouble ever voting form yet here he's gonna come up again and again on the ballot because you just it's 5% to do that there's obviously a lot of people that feel the way -- us. Do you think his numbers are gonna jump as he continues to stay on these ballot I absolutely do yeah because I think that what you sign in one thing that's. Pins were revelatory about last year's hall of fame voting is with. Twitter in particular it so much easier now to have writers explain exactly what to do a lot of doing and one of the things that you've heard time and time again this. Several writers have said not on the first ballot. That's never been a distinction I've ever man I think it's had an absurd point of view but. There's certain percentage writers and got to remember like everywhere there is on the line -- -- -- on the first ballot my second time a lot of remember that that you know the hall of fame voting theoretically never -- so once you're you know bags is in as a hall of fame voter theoretically until either he gets the ball back passes on. So yes -- -- not generations of voters including several and and there was a time. Even a generation or two ago where very few writers gave anyone a first ballot distinction they consider that. Almost like graduating with honors and I won't do you know Cherilus in the first -- -- -- now a lot wasn't present. Bags and so now you get to a situation where. You you'll have a lot of writers say this is my this is my punitive measure for you bonds and could be 404 Clemens and several others. That you can throw in that category too. That there are several voters who then we'll come back next here and say okay my work here is done now clearly you should you belong in the office.

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  2. 6.22: Dale Tafoya- players are still using performance enhancing drugs

    in a very different way than all the numbers wrong and the it's so hard to figure how because you have. You know Mike Piazza that's going to go down as the greatest catcher ever. Yet you know my interviews you know he was he was you know

  1. 1-on-1 with Dennis Eckersley

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    Tue, 8 Oct 2013

    it is a three run lead and he just felt the ball off. And he stared at him and he didn't he didn't like that you know on Piazza 's Hispanics that he does anyway and everybody in the whole league knows it. But somebody said some men you know they're

  2. in eleven innings. Brandon Workman had a no into the seventh. Intel should be all star Josh Donaldson the two run homer and piazza had a game winning RBIs for the green and gold. Bartolo Cologne allowed two earned runs with four strikeouts and six in the

  3. you have the Super Bowl ring and says this is I think another step. For calling and it was pitchers Steen from Patrick Willis piazza got to hear from him today. He told us chiropractor when he's talking yet he's in the best shape physically he's been

  4. multiple runs what do you think's going on the last. Well I I think today. You know call goes against it looked like maybe that piazza was out there. On the slow pro ball of safe and that starts going so. I think that was a little bit of fortune put real stressful

  5. his signals knows who'll insist on to give as far as styles little spot probably was. Jones is just played again. It seems piazza got some big third down outside lane blockers well as personal can't just what was the idea didn't get the ball and it went

  6. Cook: 'I realized I had to step up'

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    Sun, 30 Sep 2012

    going died as you watch the manifested his commitment that there we monster shot. How I mean he's been all we were just on Piazza 's defense has been everybody. In this ballpark top to bottom. You know I actually dinner come upstairs to get myself and

  7. and who play each other things like that some guys think. shared Smith's sentiments in a conference call to local reporters piazza said that Smith does not get the respect he deserves. And called the plays Smith made the 49ers playoff game against the Saints

  8. this offense mean that he was with the offensive coordinator Greg Knapp. Last year in Houston so he's got a leg up there and piazza said was something that was that struck me from the quarterbacks coach Dick LeBeau was that. There is this rumor than that

  9. miscalculation because. You stacking up against all the other guys like Manny that they signed since 06. That turned out not to do well piazza . Again Kendall was never very good he was he was 05 Giambi par. Thumb its its the latest in a long string of guys like that

  10. yard touchdown run in the next six possessions for the 49ers. Think only 11 down and that was on a personal foul. Kelly. Piazza 's head CF but by no that is going way I always jumped out of state today fixated on and I think Stacy the cameraman say my

  11. for this reason. Right now I'm not piazza was by far the price of free agency ..... as well the Houston Texans. It's not piazza won't play sixteen games form. Easily ..... Imagine if you want to long term sign piazza someone you already have Darrelle Revis

  12. take them anyway we can get and always gets another wolves another win. I guess we have to tip our captain Ian Kennedy tonight piazza had a great performance and I'm just talk about how nice that was did not have to face him there the genocide and Hernandez

  13. yeah we don't call files and practice and I look at guys filed in practice and they do good gelatin beat him up practice so. Piazza he has a building but most in practice which that come out trying to keep developing our team concept stuff. The new one on

  14. Kansas City Chiefs Matt Cassel. And rookie cornerback Jeremy the reason being that there really is no idea on when or if not piazza was going to be able to play. starting cornerbacks Chris Johnson and Stanford but of ware gets in the game you kinda get the

  15. 9.26: OAK/ARI Postgame- Tom Cable

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    Sun, 26 Sep 2010

    total Oracle's emotion moves to get him to return because you're both very good. You know you've got forward to 33. Piazza . Illegal contact we have five. It was that way and really that was their offense for a good portion What we've you know

  16. moment. Early in your career you or even their 2000 when they met in the World Series the Yankees and the Mets of the whole piazza Roger Clemens thing you kind of inherited the next time. The Yankees faced or the Mets Roger Clemens but you were on the mound

  17. Looking back it. Thinking against the Colts how difficult was that he did it. you different different. At that everything is piazza so it was definitely good good disease that that was relentless when it. You know very slippery and in Florida he could see

  18. 3.15: Q&A with 49ers QB David Carr

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    quarterbacks. We just watching the guys watching to news and see if we could. I noticed that on the rise as if you newspaper piazza . This is this is it's not. This team has a lot of them at the ball. Little did we do it yeah. He's gonna do this until