Up or just strolled to be joined by the president and CEO all of those great. 49ers championship teams -- not too long -- -- -- chronicle conversation subject tonight. At a great Carmen policy howry surrogate to seeing great doing very well thank you learn more about what's gonna go on Saturday when they protecting the Hall of Fame because. It's an intriguing process to me you've got 44 on this committee. That's 32. From each NFL city so one from each city thirty to change plus twelve at large choices. And it just seems so well politicize I'm wondering if this is the right process depict the morals of of the game of football. Well I think the Hall of Fame system is very arcane. I think flawed system. But. As I say what I just said I have no better. Alternative to readily offer up I think that you're dealing with a situation where. The opportunity. To politicize. The process. Is there and readily available I think also that. That the concept of personal bias. On the part of some of the the voters. Maybe even. Entering into the process. Without them even knowing that's occurring is again. Very very rampant. You're you're talking about people most of whom are from the media. That probably have had experiences with some of the people they're considering. And I can't help but feel. That the relationships. That developed good and bad will affect their decisions. And the fact it is such a small sample size and in baseball's process is not perfect but there -- hundreds of people voting here when you you can't just 44 people there's a lot of power. In this when you're working day to day in the league with the niners and with the Cleveland Browns or was there any. Movement to try to change the way Canton Ohio votes on on these greats. Well I I must. Must be very frank with you when when when I was with the 49ers we were. Primarily focused on developing hall of famers. Within the framework of the teams that you know would we were fortunate enough to be part of and no we didn't pay any attention to. The process we did pay attention to the Hall of Fame itself. We were in the forefront of agreeing to and and supporting. Additional funding. For the hall of fame and for -- the the new all of payment for the ongoing necessities of the Hall of Fame -- but we never got involved in in the process not at all. And obviously when you look at your your great teams you can make the point that there's just not enough representation there having the quarterbacks are obviously -- the head coach Bill Walsh is there. And you got -- you guys Steve. Who else is on the offenses ever Jerry's gonna go on Saturday -- going -- on Saturday and -- have brought us and we have Fred dean Fred dean but but you know. We have some pretty good teams and let's let's talk about defense firm for a moment I mean everybody loves. The chronicle. The great accomplishments of the 49 -- offenses and the forty niner offense of stars but. It was those defense is that really. Kept us in play and enabled us to win five championships. And I just have a feeling that you could find more. Then just two players. From two decades. That deserved to be. Seriously considered for the whole thing. When he got to third I -- I think is I don't know if he's gonna make that are happening intriguing guided me. Charles Haley who went when you look at just -- him as a football player serving it in the the five time pro bowler had -- hundred career sacks. He was a five time Super Bowl champion -- with you you traded in the Dallas. And he had three but -- you mentioned. How they writers get along with the players because Charles Haley. Was not a well liked player. He was a difficult got to deal with now we've come to learn after his retirement that he suffered bipolar disease and he's been medically treated for it now but -- speak to him a little bit how was dealing with him keeping him on the field every Sunday. And do you think Charles Haley -- should be in the hall of fame and and will the voters put him all the. -- B we'll let let's start with Charles Haley the player and what he meant to the team and the impact he would have on -- I think that. When you start talking about great players. How they affect the game I we all look -- Lawrence Taylor is truly one of the great defense of players that. Did in fact impact not only -- particular game but the way the entire game was coached and game plan it. I think that with the the big to do about Dwight Freeney. For the Colts did. As far as whether or not he's going to be able to play this Sunday and if he doesn't play. What does that mean for Peyton Manning and the Colts chances of winning their second super born in that position. Played very very well. Becomes beyond important. And Charles Haley played the position. Very very well and when he went to Dallas. I can tell you we had to. Engage in extra effort to game plan. How you dealt with Charles. One player and if it was the ability. George chief starts. The team in 1994. To deal what Charles. In terms of effectively keeping him away from. Ron Amadon had put in the kind of plays in the would allow Ron Amadon to avoid him that allowed us to get to the super. And so I I don't think you can over exaggerate. Charles. -- impact -- on the on the 49ers defense and his impact as a player. For the Dallas Cowboys. I can make the argument that it was Charles Haley. Going to the Dallas Cowboys that was the final piece that literally put them in the Super Bowl. So large trade and I mean so anything could get back to his off the field. He was tough to deal with police certainly learned a good -- know now that he's suffered from by -- and how tough was it to manage his player to get him on the field and will that. Keep him from the Hall of Fame because he may have rankled the writer to along the way. Well. I was very straightforward in discussing Charles haley's attributes. I think. I think that. It it would be unfair not to make clear the fact that that Charles was a difficult personality. Very difficult to deal with. Almost impossible toward the end for our coaching staff that. And we. We had an opportunity we thought. Two maybe to a new contract -- happy. Bring him to the point where he would. Feel that this is his team and he's gonna settle down but it never it never happened -- anything things got worse for MO we had the incident. Besides. Some other somewhat personal incidents when we had the one incident following are lost to the Oakland Raiders. In -- a bigger part -- of the Los Angeles Raiders that turn -- it at the coliseum and Charles injured -- -- Was literally bleeding and I think having a little bit of a break that. And Desmond -- a call Ronnie Lott or from the earlier locker Bledel and a Tina Turner went over to. Love raider locker room and Ronnie came over Ronnie was a key and electrical park. Of dealing with Charleston Charles's. Demons. And challenges. And one -- left the team. I think part of Charles left the team so to speak and it became pretty obvious that there's just no way we can keep them and we thought we had a trade all done with Minnesota we did not want to send him. To Dallas. And if Minnesota had just. Not been fooling around with little details. And and going back and having meetings and trying to really -- -- a bit. He would have been a -- But give Jerry. Jerry Jones and and give Jimmy Johnson some credit they called opposite no more for -- we're gonna give you more and anybody's -- off you for him just send them down to us. He'll be our problem. And we did that and instead of being their problem he became their. Their ascent and maybe their final piece to three Super Eagles there a short period of time. Jerry Rice is obviously gonna make the Hall of Fame at that says that's a lock. What do you think coach Walsh. Is going to be thinking upstairs in heaven when he watches this is obviously get a great affinity for the quarterbacks. But -- trading to get Jerry. Make it and the player -- seem like that was somebody really had a kinship what what do you think Bill Walsh is going to be thinking on Saturday when when Jerry Rice becomes. Hall of Famer when they announce on Saturday afternoon. And Jerry Rice has been voted. By the committee. Into the Pro Football Hall of Fame. I think all of us could envision. Bill Walsh with -- wings. And his flowing white robe and his heart fifteen and right after that announcement they'll say that's my -- here and bill. Took great pride. And ultimately bringing. Jerry to the 49ers. You took even greater pride in the way Jerry developed into. The phenom that he is and you know they talk about other players having changed the game what Jerry Rice changed the game of football. And I think that. We're looking at a situation where we are not only looking at. Without question the greatest receiver played a great game we may be looking at one of the greatest players. Ever participate from football. Now Bill Walsh and certainly be proud of but you as well on the whole organization for for drafting him in. And mentoring him to the great player that he became kind of a thank you so much for your time obstinacy and enjoy the us over the weekend this weekend I -- -- this is always fun.