Victor Conte of course was the founder of Balco and shooting -- -- one of our case analysts in Victor does this ever cease to surprise you. No on specifically that this is a synthetic testosterone positive test is the least surprising thing. I said back in November about a month before the -- Brawn positive test that this is the biggest loophole in Major League Baseball testing. And I'm in and sport in general. But it doesn't surprise me this test is for testosterone and it would -- me some surprise me if there are more in the near future. -- as a former player I mean does that make you angry when you what what are the emotions when you hear these guys and gotten basically disparaging the game that you were apart. I can't say that I'm angry at the player because. Each player that has done this. I think when they decide on and choose to do something that's. Basically wrong in the game against the rules. If you get caught for your actions you've got to be able to accept responsibility for what you don't want. I don't know I can't say what players in the past would have done this would have been presented to them in the past because. I've seen -- Bartolo Cologne a lot of older guys that are getting caught doing this it seems like they're trying to save their careers and it's like urgent situation for these guys and you know Bartolo -- here except that what he did. He got up on out of town he's not take his medicine and what finger along the bottom thus far I don't hear a lot of players come and I'll scream and all other people saying that other guys are doing or somebody else made me do it. Melky Cabrera kind of made a joke out of the situation but I have to just you know they'll tip my. Have to Bartolo -- could be manned up about what he did and he's accepted responsibility. And if you do anything in this life that's not legal and you get caught. It's fess up and take your medicine now well hopefully Bartolo claw. Not making a fraudulent website as well to try and deflect the blame on this and -- credited -- stem cell procedure that he had two years ago which really. Being the key that rejuvenated his career -- stem cells injected into his elbow and into his shoulder. Victor I know you're not a doctor but do you believe that that could also -- you know played a part in his successor do you think this has been something maybe been doing. All along with the testosterone. Well in terms of healing him and repair. And you know rejuvenation answers yes -- terms of that. You know usually guys that have injuries are doing things like side injections with growth hormone or stem cell. Injections but I don't think it really enhances athletic performance is more about recovery from injury. In a 76 players haven't caught in the minor league system this year five major leaders not this year. You said last week that you believe it's as high as 50% could still be doing this in Major League Baseball is that testing stringent enough. I'd like to talk about them and answer to this problem which I believe is relatively simple. They now use the TE ratio of testosterone -- testosterone. Normal on a mail us about 11 they allow up to -- one. Many guys can double or triple is this testosterone and still come and under the radar. Our guys can use fast acting testosterone in the former creams and gels in patches -- an even with him micro -- but by injection. After games by the time the show up at the ballpark the next day they're back down to below that 401 allowable limit. A way to prevent that is to use the CIR testing carbon isotope ratio testing which will be packed synthetic testosterone up to two weeks after the years. So instead of using. And attempted to incorporate blood testing for growth hormone which is not an anabolic agent and does not enhance performance I believe -- better use of the dollars and focus is to use the CIR -- think about will plug this this -- is that testing more expensive. It is more expensive your steroid that which include the panel which includes the TE ratios about a hundred dollars and this CIR test is about 400 dollars. But the blood testing for growth hormone is also about 400 dollars so I think that the funds to do that I believe hire better use of that money in terms of reducing the use of drugs in baseball would be the CIR test -- from a baseball player standpoint do you think the players who are doing it right I would like to see. More. More strict guidelines stricter testing. I think there's going to be guys that are gonna do it right and I think these guys are gonna cheat. I think that for me I'm -- -- it appeared in embarrass myself and trying to act like an expert on what mr. Conte is talking about if -- anyone that's involved in making decisions. I'm gonna listen everything that he stand because it's proven that he's as knowledgeable about his anything was going on a baseball -- performance enhancing drugs. I think that Major League Baseball is doing everything that they possibly can't open to this point to make sure that this stuff is not happening. But as you see is constant revolutionizing. It's constantly getting easier for guys to -- so it's hard for them to keep up so what do you do you start talking to the people that -- experts and we're listening to want talk about it right now -- as long as there's a way to cheek and guys have a way to get away they're gonna do run I mean how tempting is that mean because at the end of the day you can do you know cash in big -- result Melky Cabrera was looking at Bartolo along with probably. Going to be looking another nice contract you hear people -- players so much talk about they played for the ring. You know I'm gonna play because I wanna get the -- well there are guys that are playing the save their careers you ask yourself if my career is about overweight and I got a chance to play one or two more years and I could take care mock them for the rest of my life and not have to worry about anything on the block and take a chance and be fat -- and break down and we -- -- and poverty because I wasn't a good -- I don't have any money anymore you tell me what you might do. Well I think most people are probably gonna try to get better than their career.