Say about Barry -- -- two years ago you're giving him probably the worse news he's had in his career. Leaving them off the post season roster now now he's starting game one of the world's here's how gratifying is that we've seen that. Transformation I could be made that says a lot about his mental toughness is my ego. Edmonton is. 2000 again. It was an easy to put them on the post season you struggle in his September. But the way he handled -- was so impressive he went -- that he threw bullpen today. Throughout the post season so pretty decent that happen you know thing is -- You know even through hitters to keep myself ready for need Obi ready. And it's Leachman. The whole time he's been here and for him to keep grinding as Wednesday. And try to get better. For him to be at this point it's her first game it was really good problem though I told him. You know and you the ball well in the first game with all he's been through and ways. -- tour. Touched at temple had a very respond. To that when he told them did you tell me yesterday in honor Spain. I told him today. I try to call all -- looked -- foam ball or so. I could get all alone so this was gonna hold Nelson I think world news there. It was dirty enough that he had a good idea. He was extent. He was proud honored. We have close to him mr. and one. Bruce. You mention -- -- at Cincinnati there was a play in the first inning that -- Phillips was trying to go first that are in posting throughout. Q do you think you look back at the plate and had to be made for you guys to be where you are and as a catcher yourself how can vote on the plane was that the -- well. -- probably did say it was -- -- game. You know he gets to third base. What we wanted nine innings we probably lose that game and you know buster campus boy reason. I think initially he might have been a little surprise or two ago but he knew -- -- time and just make sure admitted to throw it. You know for us to do what we did. You know places. You know every night. What we had to face it takes. Great play takes little luck a big hit all these things have to happen for us to do what we do it's many times as we have to do it. Two things matching wits with Jim Leland on the grand stage what that. Means to you if anything and also your history with him in May be the first time you came across him. Whether it be your playing days -- your coaching days you're managing it. Yeah well I. I've spent Michigan's. Jim and I have so much reason I respect him and Revere what he's done in his career now. You know I know how good he is over there what a great show me he goes and he's. He's he's he's he's 11 of the best ever so I'd look at Jim I've had a chance to talk to Ohman. And I really appreciate. You know his style of managing him what he's accomplished in his career. And I know that he's gonna have is his team prepared and you know when when you're gonna -- it's somebody like Tim you you know year. You get your hands full and then you know lea do all you can do and your team prepared ready for. And Bruce when though Tim has appeared in relief but it's all has almost as a six man type deal to go out there does that work -- it it does. You know he gives. -- government bullpen another weapon. You -- more versatility in the bullpen effect he can go multiple innings. Particularly when you're in Detroit you mediate you know you. -- -- proportionately. Pitchers. So that. Oh haven't long like -- or or even a short -- ago here if he doesn't take long to get ready you know fifteen pitches he's good to go and so it's nice to have. -- -- -- The civilians Fridays and -- -- Chris when you have the conversations with Barry for years ago and -- this year and I have to tell them there's no slot for them in the rotation. Are those the most difficult conversations she faces a manager in you handle it differently with established veterans like them and you want to win. Less established players. Policy questions answers one -- most of uncle. Things you have to do as a manager particularly -- You're talking to a store poirier. Won Cy Young -- who wants BO there. And it's been out there really all year for you to him. Don't know the way. Or as a postseason. At that point we felt we were better off. With. Reliever he understood and he knew he was and throw the ball well and the other starters were Knuble buried him. It's never easy to handle any different now I think the only way you and those should be ours. These straight forward and tell what you think him and you know -- -- veteran -- Relieved well it is still you know it's evolved into a bit because you know how much he's hurting him. Maybe even a Bears. You know you you do think about his feelings. So. It's up to speed. You move on again. How he dealt with. And one of the more present some. Veteran -- And you approach going against Verlander will be telecast. Well I think going you -- do you go there and compete that's the way we know agrees -- -- The pitchers ever. -- he throws his other pitches. And you appeared to look forward to see them and do all they can't compete makes them. Are right. Bruce given what you guys have gone to the last week have you taken any time to address a few players the importance of not forcing yourself and having a win the last three games. Yeah the last thing. You you wanna do is put added pressure. That they had a great attitude. How they approach every game it was a way we're not ready you'll -- you know he played for each other paper fans and -- as -- that you do put pressure on them. Do you did you decide TH for -- Now. You -- Through three options there with we've who we get there. A little better here but I don't think I can recall you ever going lefty lefty it back to back him in a series at any time. What was Zito bomb Garner was a that a little concern or is it may be -- thinking that you attack this team lefties if -- now. Picked his way it's fallen more than anything. You know when we have Saudi deal with the medicine starting numbers used him you know this is -- How it sets up -- or anything now they're two different style pitchers even other Lipton. I don't have a problem righty -- -- definitely. -- popular game the game Lucic who won it. Lastly another rotation question I mean you've with the off -- you could have gone -- three in in vocal song for two to ensure that you know here. Your -- would get to the two games in the series why did you go what the song came. -- -- A likely emotional thrown to him he stole the ball blows anybody. On the staff and so we just chipped it in order. It will song it's the last start we have we'll probably two and nomads were priorities he's -- a lot of innings in. I didn't think we needed to flip probably due to be honest way bogeys thrown.